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He knew he wasn’t going to be able to wipe out his student loans in bankruptcy, so he had a better idea. Or did he?
Most people with student loan debt know they can’t wipe out their student loan debts in bankruptcy without jumping through hoops like a circus animal.
They also know that credit card debt can be wiped out in Chapter 7 bankruptcy, or effectively settled in a Chapter 13 reorganization bankruptcy.
Some folks get into their heads that they should pay off their student loans with a credit card, wait awhile, then file for bankruptcy.
That’s where things get tricky.
Educational Benefits, Not Student Loans
Under the U.S. Bankruptcy Code, you can’t discharge a debt for either of the following without a showing of undue hardship:
- an educational benefit overpayment or loan made, insured, or guaranteed by a governmental unit, or made under any program funded in whole or in part by a governmental unit or nonprofit institution;
- an obligation to repay funds received as an educational benefit, scholarship, or stipend; or
- any other educational loan that is a qualified education loan, as defined in section 221(d)(1) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, incurred by a debtor who is an individual.
Notice that we’re not talking about student loans; rather, the exception to discharge is for educational benefits OR student loans. True, most educational benefit loans and overpayments are the same as student loans – but not all of them.
To uncover the true definition of what’s excepted from discharge, we need to look to the Internal Revenue Code, which says:
The term “qualified education loan” means any indebtedness incurred by the taxpayer solely to pay qualified higher education expenses—
(A) which are incurred on behalf of the taxpayer, the taxpayer’s spouse, or any dependent of the taxpayer as of the time the indebtedness was incurred,
(B) which are paid or incurred within a reasonable period of time before or after the indebtedness is incurred, and
(C) which are attributable to education furnished during a period during which the recipient was an eligible student.
Such term includes indebtedness used to refinance indebtedness which qualifies as a qualified education loan. The term “qualified education loan” shall not include any indebtedness owed to a person who is related (within the meaning of section 267 (b) or 707 (b)(1)) to the taxpayer or to any person by reason of a loan under any qualified employer plan (as defined in section 72 (p)(4)) or under any contract referred to in section 72 (p)(5).
So there you have it – the term is defined as any indebtedness, not merely a loan termed as a student loan.
Credit Card Debt As Educational Benefit Loan
If you look at the Internal Revenue Code, you’ll note that the qualified education loan incorporates any refinancing of a student loan. When you pay off a student loan with a credit card, you’re refinancing the student loan – trading debt for debt.
Given that, there’s a good argument to be made that when you pay your student loans with a credit card you’re just changing the platform rather than the character of the debt. In other words, what was nondischargeable remains so.
More Hurdles
Under the U.S. Bankruptcy Code, some charges made in the run-up to filing for bankruptcy can be considered to have been incurred without the intent or ability to repay. Those charges may not be discharged in your bankruptcy case, either.
If you figured you’d get smart and pay off your student loans with credit card cards, that may be an additional consideration.
What Are The Odds?
Personally, I’ve never seen a credit card company go through the old records and make this sort of argument. Perhaps it’s happened but not to my knowledge.
Chances are good that if you make a payment or two on your student loans using a credit card, you’re not going to land in hot water so long as you make those credit card payments for long enough. You want to put some distance between the payment and your bankruptcy filing, but even if there’s a problem with wiping out those payments it’s not likely to be a large debt to contend with later on.
As for paying off the entire student loan on a credit card, I don’t think I’d recommend it.
Which Leads Us To The Downside
If you repay your student loan with your credit card, there’s a chance that the creditor will ask the court for that debt to follow you after bankruptcy.
If the credit card carries a lower interest rate than the original student loan, that may not be a terrible outcome. But if the credit card charges more interest than the student loan, you may be putting yourself in a far worse situation by refinancing the loan.
Think of it as a game of chess, requiring you to figure out your options before it’s too late. You’ve got options now, but it’s tough to make right a wrong move.
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Until very recently Chapter 13 bankruptcy trustees in both Oregon and Washington would often object to Chapter 13 plans containing proposals to pay off “luxury items,” such as RVs, boats, high end motorcycles and the like in full while paying little or nothing to unsecured creditors. Trustees would describe such such plans as being made in “bad faith” because the money allocated to paying off a debtor’s big ticket items could have been used to pay more towards the pool of unsecured debt
Fortunately Chapter 13 bankruptcy debtors no longer need to worry that a trustee might keep a Chapter 13 plan from being confirmed simply because the debtor wants to keep paying off her BMW.
The Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit( both Oregon and Washington are member states) recently determined that when Congress enacted BAPCPA in 2005, it took away bankruptcy judges’ discretion to make value judgements regarding which secured creditors should be paid off through a Chapter 13 Plan.
The upshot is that f you file a Chapter 13 bankruptcy in Oregon or Washington now and you want to keep your Hummer, the bankruptcy trustee won’t be able to object to your plan solely because you want to keep making the payments, even if that means that the American Expresses and Chases of the world get nothing.
The original post is titled Keeping the Hummer in Chapter 13 Bankruptcy , and it came from Oregon Bankruptcy Lawyer | Portland, Salem, and Vancouver, Wa .
Chapter 13 bankruptcy trustees in California and elsewhere frequently object to debtors’ Chapter 13 plans in which the debtor proposes to pay very little to his general unsecured creditors (like credit card companies), while nevertheless continuing to make payments on secured debts for so-called “luxury items.” Such plans, some Chapter 13 trustees have claimed, were made in “bad faith” because payments on the secured debts for such luxury items take away money that could have been used to pay more toward unsecured debts. I have had many San Jose bankruptcy cases in which I worried that the trustee might object to the debtor’s driving a luxury car, even where that car might arguably be necessary to the debtor’s business as a real estate broker, for example.
Now, however, California Chapter 13 bankruptcy debtors no longer have to worry that a trustee can prevent a Chapter 13 plan from being confirmed simply because the debtor wants to continue making payments on her luxury car, or her RV, boat, or second home for that matter. I was recently asked to brief the case Drummond v. Welsh (In re Welsh), 465 B.R. 843 (B.A.P. 9th Cir. 2012), before the San Jose Chapter 13 Bankruptcy Committee. The case involved a Montana couple who had filed Chapter 13 bankruptcy wherein they proposed to continue making payments on three vehicles, an RV, and two ATVs in addition to their home mortgage. The trustee had objected that making these payments on these secured debts left very little to pay toward the debtors’ sizable unsecured debt. Those creditors would receive only pennies on the dollar through the life of the Chapter 13 plan.
The court held that when Congress enacted BAPCPA in 2005, and specifically by enacting the Means Test in bankruptcy, Congress took away bankruptcy judges’ discretion to determine how much of a Chapter 13 debtors’ current monthly income is available to pay toward unsecured debts. Instead, Congress put in place a rigid, formulaic determination of a debtor’s “Current Monthly Income,” allowable withholdings from that CMI, and remaining “Disposable Monthly Income.” In other words, these amounts are determined by formula, not by judicial discretion. The Bankruptcy Code rigidly defines Current Monthly Income in a certain way. For example, it expressly excludes any social security income. Therefore, a Chapter 13 debtor is not required to put any social security income into a Chapter 13 plan. Similarly, all secured debt payments are, by definition, allowed withholdings when determining a debtor’s disposable monthly income available for the Chapter 13 plan. This means that the bankruptcy court no longer gets to decide whether it is fair to unsecured creditors that a Chapter 13 debtor will keep making payments toward a “luxury” car or other secured property, even if doing so limits the amount the unsecured creditors will receive from the Chapter 13 plan.
This means that now, if you file a Chapter 13 bankruptcy in San Jose or elsewhere in California, and you want to keep your luxury car, boat, or RV, the bankruptcy trustee won’t be able to object to your plan solely because you propose to keep these items. As long as you can afford to continue making the payments on these secured debts, and provided that your overall Chapter 13 plan is feasible and meets the liquidation test, for example, then just because you propose to keep making payments on such a luxury item your Chapter 13 plan can’t be attacked as being proposed in bad faith, even if your general unsecured creditors get much less than they would otherwise have received.
Our San Jose bankruptcy attorneys always offer a free initial consultation to Bay Area residents interested in filing Chapter 13 or Chapter 7 bankruptcy. Call us to schedule your free consultation at our San Jose offices.
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Thinking of cosigning a loan? What could possibly go wrong?
When you cosign for someone else, you are considered to be equally responsible for repayment. If the other person doesn’t pay then you’re going to need to do so.
The lender can take all collection activities against you, including starting a lawsuit. Your wages can be taken, your bank account frozen, and a lien placed on your real estate.
It doesn’t matter if you’re first on the loan or second – you’re 100% liable for repayment when you cosign, just like the other person.
It Requires Trust
When deciding whether to cosign for a loan, it’s not enough that you love someone. You need to have an objective belief that they’re going to live up to their end of the bargain and make the payments.
A little while ago I had a woman come into my office to talk about her bill problems. We didn’t think bankruptcy was her best option – until she started talking about cosigning for a friend’s car loan. The friend didn’t pay, moved away and left my client holding the bag for the deficiency judgment after the car was repossessed.
There was also the father who had cosigned for student loans for all four of his children, none of whom had made any payments on them after graduation. With over $300,000 in unpaid student loans at the age of 61 years old, the father found himself talking with me rather than spending his time elsewhere.
You Probably Can’t Get Out Of It Later
When you cosign for a loan, don’t assume you can get your name off the documents later on. If the other person makes timely payments then perhaps the lender will do so, but if the loan goes into default for nonpayment then there’s no chance you’re getting out of it.
If the other person doesn’t pay, you need to assume you’ll be on the hook for the money.
Cosigners And Bankruptcy
If the other person files for Chapter 7 bankruptcy, that impacts their responsibility for repayment – not yours. If you want protection, you’re going to need to file for bankruptcy as well.
If the other person files for Chapter 13 bankruptcy, collection activities against you have to stop while the Chapter 13 is going through the court system (assuming it’s a consumer debt as opposed to a business one). But at the end of the other person’s case, the lender will come knocking on your door for the unpaid balance (plus interest).
Again – if you want to get out from under your cosigner liability, you’re going to need to think about coming to see me.
Cosigners And Debt Settlement
If you cosign for a loan and the other person settles the account, that’s going to impact them as well. The only way the lender settles with you is if your name is on the settlement document. More often than not, settlement with the other borrower doesn’t mean a thing for you.
Before It Becomes Trouble
If you’re thinking about cosigning for a loan, assume the worst happens and the other person doesn’t pay the debt. What will you do, and how will you react?
How badly will it influence your personal relationship with the other person?
Can you afford to keep the payments going if you need to do so?
In the words of Dirty Harry – do you feel lucky?
These answers will help guide you as you dive into the world of the cosigner.
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